Monday, May 09, 2005

Sacred Ground?

Alright, here's the dilemma -- when visiting a church, where does sacred ground begin? I was at in the parking lot of a church yesterday, smoking a cigarette. I know, I know, they're bad for me. C'mon I'm on vacation! Somebody comes out of the church and tells me how dare I do that, I'm on sacred ground. Sacred ground? I'm in the parking lot? I don't see people bless themselves with holy water before parking their car.

I'd have understood if he told me that it was private property. But sacred ground? The parking lot?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

You should have told them to shove it, walked into the cemetary, and lit up another one while leaning on a tombstone.

If it's so sacred, why do they drive over it?

10:53 AM  
Blogger secondsb4wake said...

That's stupid. I know lots of people who smoke outside of church. That person must have been conservative.

11:00 AM  
Blogger dreadcow said...

Things like that are the reason I don't go to church.

And don't feel bad about smoking. I hate those (now ads so much that I'm about to start smoking just to be the antagonist.

3:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reminds me off when I went to talk to a priest about getting married in the church. During the interview, I was good but I was not five feet out the door on the sidewalk(heading for the sacred parking lot) when the profanity started up again.

3:59 PM  
Blogger Moose said...

Is the road that leads up to the promised parking lot also sacred? Maybe it's semi-sacred. If God didn't want you to use tobacco, he wouldn’t have made it fit in a cigarette.

5:31 PM  
Blogger SheaNC said...

If lepers and beggars are allowed, aren't smokers, too?

8:10 PM  
Blogger Raine said...

That's odd. I'd think "sacred ground" would be in the cathedral or chapel, but not in the parking lot.

8:25 PM  
Blogger RT said...

LMAO Moose! I'm going to use that line, if you don't mind :o)

I have to agree with Dreadcow, here. I quit going to church because I found it so hard to deal with the hypocrisms of people who call themselves "religious". The irony being that I try very hard to be truthful, but I'm afraid to be so at church.

And, you would think that they would be happy that you came to church at all. But hey, that's only my opinion...

8:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, Vavoom, you are going straight to hell.

8:49 PM  
Blogger Jenn said...

Um, wow. People like that are the reasons other people don't want to go to church. I know it's been said, but man. Now I want a cigarette.

Vavoom, I suggest you ask for forgiveness immediately.


2:14 AM  
Blogger Vavoom said...

Maybe I outta do three hail mary's and our lord's prayer. I'll be smoking the entire time, though!

9:19 AM  
Blogger FantasticAlice said...

damn right! enjoy your smoke while you got it!

I see people file out of churches and then cuss each other out when they begin to leave the parking lot.

People only say what they think makes them feel or look good at the moment. No one seems to have any morals anymore.

3:50 PM  
Blogger An80sNut said...

You didn't ask them if it reminded them of how hell smelled the last time they visited? I'm not big on smoking but that's the worst excuse I could have come up with.

11:58 PM  
Blogger An80sNut said...

Also, I think the Kurgan couldn't attack the Highlander within the doors of the cathedral so... sacred ground leaves the parking lot open. Heck, think of all the accidents that could happen in the parking lot.

12:00 AM  
Blogger Megan said...

I don't recall ever reading thou shalt not smoke in the scripture anywhere- of course, what do I know? My dad always enjoyed a nice "chaw" during the service. Smokers Unite! I'm sick of getting kicked out of everywhere, and I am sick of people telling me I need to stop because its bad for me--I'm not stupid, I know its bad for me, I just like it! (and I'm weak...)

9:10 AM  
Blogger Danilo da Silva said...

wow, shouldnt this person be inside praying or something? I actually think this person was just trying to kick you out of the parking lot to do something sinfull by him/herself.

10:10 PM  
Blogger RT said...

Hey Megan!

I believe the "scripture" goes: Thou shalt not do harm to the temple of Christ. (Temple of Christ being our bodies...) Or something like that.
I find it odd that we (as smokers) are discriminated against by those who are suppose to be our spiritual leaders, yet they say nothing of the nearby factory that will eat the paint off your car in less than two months (and yes, I experienced this,) or the fast food restaurants (or other bad eating habits,) or any number of other "acceptable" sins, that are just as harmful. It seems to me to be a pick and choose type of situation, to which my response is always "judge not, yet ye be judged."

Sorry, I don't mean to carry on like this but again, there are some very deep seeded issues going on here... I have a strong sense of morals, but religion (not God, mind you) seems to interfere with them every time.

2:14 AM  
Blogger Vavoom said...

rt: Interesting point. Do you think that religion, when performed on a personal level is okay? I think organized religion is what causes most problems...

3:32 AM  
Blogger RT said...

Uh Yip! I have a big problem with organized religion. But, only what it seems to have come to. Organized religion in theory, and how it was originally meant to be practiced would be a beautiful thing, but too many years of corruption and power play have really messed it up.

OK, here's the thing. Please don't get me wrong, I know there are some really good churches out there (I haven't found one yet, but there's Got to be!) But this is a subject that I'm very passionate about, and I've spent years soaking up information and the general attitude of different churches and religions. I just have a very hard time expressing those feelings, especially on paper (so to speak,) so when I start, it just keeps spilling out in incoherent sentences... Much like it is now, lol.

To answer you question "Do you think that religion, when performed on a personal level is okay?" It is my understanding that on the personal level, it's no longer religion, it's simply your faith in God and listening to what He tells you in His Handbook. But yes, absolutely! I think that if more people went back and reconnected with their faith on a personal level, it would go a long way in fixing the problems with religion. Maybe then you would see churches drawling people in, instead of scaring them away.

Did that make sense? lol

11:47 AM  
Blogger Vavoom said...

rt: You make perfect sense. We are in 100% agreement!

12:38 PM  
Anonymous Mentally Challenged said...

Your post and resulting comments reminds me of the time I and
friend visited a Penticostal
tent meeting occuring on a lot
near my house. The group
conducting the meeting were kind
while my friend in a low voice
cracked jokes during the service
but when he lit up a cigarette
during the service just to
aggrevate them further, we both
got booted out.

3:29 AM  
Blogger Rattie said...

A church parking lot is as sacred as my atheist ass.

7:47 PM  

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