Thursday, July 07, 2005


You all know I am a moderate Muslim. I've had a chance to read many blogs today. All of them call for outrage in the moderate Muslim community. Clearly, I'm outraged. As far as the moderate Muslim community goes, how would you like to see our collective outrage expressed?


Blogger thc said...

Are there any Muslim religious leaders who would come forward and tell these deranged souls that it shouldn't be their "ultimate goal" in life to die for Islam? Are there any Muslim leaders who have enough influence to convince them that it's wrong to kill?

6:45 PM  
Blogger Vavoom said...

Good point, thc. Being Socratic here, do you think they would survive any efforts to do so?

6:49 PM  
Blogger Moose said...

I don’t know how a moderate Muslim could express any more outrage than the rest of the population. It might be greater simply because it is the bastardization of a religion that you hold in your heart. I would like to see the Muslim faith come out from under the microscope. Look for terrorists, look for the insane, but don’t look for the practitioners of a religion. I’m sorry if that didn’t make any sense Vavoom.

8:01 PM  
Blogger Vavoom said...

Moose: Bingo. Your comments make perfect sense. In a way, this is what I'm getting at with my question. What do people want me to do? I can scream my head off and that won't change anything. Fantastic comment. I'm impressed.

8:20 PM  
Blogger An80sNut said...

Vavoom, I think you do enough. Remain a good role model and be a reminder that there is a kinder, gentler Islam out there. Sure, I'd love to see a leader voice their opinion or even write a book voicing his concern for the Fundamentalists (even if he has to do it anonymously.) I just don't see it as practical.

8:29 PM  
Anonymous Raine said...

V: My brain is mush right now and I have nothing to add than the fine comments here. Like an80snut said, you do good by just being a good role model of a moderate Muslim. Take care!

2:24 AM  
Blogger Recidivist said...

I sincerely hope – believe even – that the British people will show that the Muslim people are as an important part of our community as the rest of us and are no lesser victims than the rest of our community.

Muslims in Britain are proud to be British and we are proud of them.

Only 24 hours ago most British Muslims were celebrating along with the rest us the fact that London had won the 2012 Olympics, so today we mourn with them.

Lest people forget, yesterday, one of those bombs went off in a busy Muslim majority part of London. Another bomb went off in a terminus through which tens of thousands of Muslims would pass through on their way to work every day.

In the words of the Mulsim Council of Great Britain:

The scriptures and the traditions of both the Muslim and Christian communities repudiate the use of such violence. Religious precepts cannot be used to justify such crimes, which are completely contrary to our teaching and practice.

And in the words of one of London’s most senior Police officers:

Muslim and terrorist are two words which as far as I am concerned do not go together. Anyone who actually thinks that the people who would do this are truly Muslim is sick

Would I like to see outrage? Would I like to see special reaction from Muslims? Not at all. Muslims, just like the rest of us, are hurt, shocked and angered – and just like the rest of us, they will express that. No special effort required.

Yesterday was mourning. Today is carrying on as near normal as possible … doing our best not to listen to the rhetoric of the few angry bigots.

2:30 AM  
Blogger Vavoom said...

All: Thank you. I mean that sincerely.

2:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The solution to me seems too simple. Almost too trivial to post. If it's such a concern then I think there should be an effort to peacefully and non-violently get rid of the people who are spreading the brainwashing. My friend Andy said it well last night. "It's a very bad thing when religion totally controls politics. That's too much power in too few hands."

6:15 AM  
Blogger FantasticAlice said...

There are always a few bad apples that have to ruin something.... but when they ruin something as near and dear to a person's heart than its a travesty.

Granted I usually don't follow up on things like this... only because it upsets me so greatly, all the anger and hatred. But why is it I rarely hear of a Islamic leader explaining that this isn't want the teaching of Islam really is, not to murder and hurt. I have had several friends in college (two from Iran) that said that Muslim religion isn't one that promotes violence.

Could you do it then Mr. V and explain to the general blogging public what it does mean to be a muslim? I would certainly appreciate it.

7:44 AM  
Blogger Megan said...

The problem is we need more education on what it truly means to be a Muslim; so many people really believe Bin Laden is your average Muslim. And that's just not true.

I think it was John Stewart that pointed out that many of the misconceptions we have come because its only the radicals that are so vocal. Moderates don't run around screaming for moderation: defeats the purpose. But perhaps a little more comment from the moderates could be helpful.

But at the same time I am outraged that you should have to defend your religion at all...and any defense you offer will seem like you are being defensive, if that makes any sense. I think I completely agree with Moose.

10:20 AM  
Anonymous little john said...

What you are doing is good. Most of the U.S. Islamic population isn't radicalized so maybe the U.S. Islamic population can be an example for the more militant Islamic communities in Europe and the Middle East in terms of tolerating other religious views, the rights of women, etc.

10:52 AM  
Blogger RT said...

Well I can see I'm a little late on this one, but I think recidivist probably said it better than I ever could have. You're not alone, Vavoom.

I do have to say though, and I don't know if this is the time or place to say it, but it's really pissing me off, so here goes:

What the hell are people thinking??? The Muslim religion has been a part of our culture for Years! America is the melting pot, man. We have Everything here! Now, just because of these acts of terrorism, suddenly we're suppose to fear or hate our friends and neighbors? It's just not sensible. I mean, we know these people...

9:30 AM  
Anonymous Daniel said...

I thought I had published a comment, but it looks as if it didn't get through. So I'll do it again.

I'm not certain that any one individual Muslim can do much. However, I do believe that the community approach would work, as is a sort of Muslim neighborhood watch. If there is something going on in the community, free Muslims can turn the perpetrators into the proper authorities.

Recently a mosque in LA expelled an Imam who was preaching violence against Christians and Jews. No equivocating, no conditioning of criticism, just a flat "get out." This is a community in action, one that has decided that enough is enough, no excuses.

11:33 AM  

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